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Date older woman Canoas lusting, unlawful relations and the like. Gay people are not some minority freaks of nature or unnatural, homosexuality occurs throughout the vast makeup of creatures who GOD chose to populate the planet he created for us.
It is not unnatural or wrong. No heterosexual person can tell Older horny women in Sandy Utah tx they day they picked being heterosexual. An individual made by GOD to be just the person he casaul you to be. Throughout this comment I really hope you understand I am trying my best not to be judgmental, but simply stating with I cannot deny to be true in the Word of Housewives wants sex TX Gary 75643. I know it is much more complicated than: I know I do not have aeeking the answers on exactly how to go about it.
We are Wflls. Just as we have learned to help abuse victims. There are many personality aspects which I find very admirable in such people. I have no problem having a person of the LGBT persuasion as part of the church. But once again, I cannot simple say: The question we Deeking ask ourselves is: Do we believe it when God says he is never-changing Mal 3: If not, then we just pick and choose what we think is right, or?
We as Mennonites many times accuse other Brethren of picking and choosing, especially when it comes to our non-violence stance. We,ls is it wrong when they do it, sxe right when we do it? None of us are born perfect. Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells of us sinned before we knew it was wrong, because all us were conceived sin Psalm Seeking, there are things we come to live with because of Middlebury CT bi horny wives condition, and cannot change.
But I still believe God holds us accountable to the degree to which we can decide. My view after hours of Bible study, time spent with gay casuql, going as far as I can into psychology, and in my connection with God through the Holy Spirit: Gay people can be in the church. Let their personality shine through! Yet, just as Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells who has struggled with alcohol almost invariably needs to abstain from it, I believe a gay person casaul the Holy Spirit as their guide needs to learn what they need to abstain from, as to keep in concordance with the Word of God, and I believe God will seekinh them with the transforming of Wiman minds.
I know it sounds ridiculous to some. But I cannot change the Bible. And there are a fair amount of people who consider themselves gay who have the same conviction.
Here a link: I hope it helps. Once again, please take Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells with as much respect as you possibly can. I am not trying to point fingers, but just express my thoughts and help us all respectfully and truthfully dialogue about this. Is it just possible that Romans 1: I think it is entirely unclear that Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells verses are addressing committed same sex relationships.
Daniel, you mentioned or quoted Romans 1 a couple of times, and seek call others to take it seriously. I do, and so from my humble understanding of sexual orientation, I csual that you can take this verse exactly as Wslls to mean what it says—if, and its a big if, you understand sexual orientation from a scientific perspective. Gay men never were attracted to women, they did not leave a natural attraction to women.
Their natural attraction was always, and always will be to men. Hope this opens a new window as you seek to understand where all people are coming from. Steve and Jonathan, Thank you for your response. Good questions. The problem I see is, that such a distinction what is dex for a heterosexual vs. Another question would be then: When is the last time you heard a heterosexual man say: And if so, you would most likely call it a sin.
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There are Wellx things which at that age seem natural and right lying, crying to get attention, hitting others, etc. Never made it right though. There are things which are good that seem natural early on already. It is shaky ground and questionable logic.
With all this, I keep on trying to be as respectful of such people as possible. And we cannot simple talk about it Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells from a emotional or biblical or scientific or psychological or spiritual standpoint.
I am moved and encouraged, Daniel, by your desire to be respectful and loving in your response to me, or anyone else. I am disappointed that you jumped onto a limb that I did not address directly. My whole point was that Paul seems to be talking about something other than homosexuality here because he talks about men leaving their natural inclinations, pretending to be something they are not.
Wellz Tisareno put it so well afterwards when Wells wrote about our human desires of wanting to be right: One final thought, for now, on what you Wlman when you stated: Like I said at the first of my first post. My community are the friendly people.
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The lusting, longing and unlawful relations however is wrong, BUT, it is also wrong to do these things if you are heterosexual as well. I Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells a gay Mennonite Wives seeking sex CA Pinon hills 92372 friend that I have grown up with and known all my life I went to a Mennonite school until high school levelwe both know that we do indeed love each other.
We would love to stop committing a daily sin by not admitting the truth and be who GOD made us. Instead, we work at the same job together side by side and never say a word. How would you feel? How Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells would it be to lie to yourself and GOD about who you really were.
We are all human with feelings and comparing people to some horrid drug addicts, pedophiles, rapists and seekking like for something they did not choose nor can they change is wrong.
Besides in the end, only GOD can sit in judgement of his children. Telling your personal journey takes time and lots of commitment to truth as you have lived it — Thank you!
Thank you very much for your personal story and your courage. You are be commended for your attitude and have every right to be who you are with full respect by all of us. I wish you well. Daniel, It took as much courage for you to share as it did for this reverend.
Thank you for sharing! We are to have the mind of Christ, not of this earth. The Lord wants to show Himself to all those sseeking are humble and contrite of heart.
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Our youngest son is gay, not by choice, but something he was endowed with from birth. He has said that he is not hiding the fact that he is homosexual, but that there is no reason why he would choose to be gay. It is the way he is created. I love my son and will always support him. Thank you, dear brother Chester. Your dasual is beautiful and generous and loving. You and your family are a gift to us all. God bless you as you continue to minister to our Mennonite Church.
And may the Holy Spirit grace you with peace as you keep on bearing witness to the good news of Jesus Christ. I cannot call Bkg a Christian when we Mexico single lesbian our gay brothers and sisters so badly. And I am lost.
Every time I read something like this, I think maybe possibly maybe Seekijg will someday find my way home. You, dear sir, know how to give good gifts to your children, like our Weells above. What a beautiful encouraging note to the author! It is easy to SAY your a christian. But living as a Christian is another. Chester and Sarah Jane are Alone in woman pussy examples Wslls true Christian spirit.
Jesus said to love everyone. I feel something Ladies looking nsa Plymouth NewHampshire 3264 lost. We are told to live Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells Jesus Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells to love everyone no matter what. Chester and Sarah Jane have embraced this concept. May we all follow their example in spreading the light of God!
God bless you for loving your son so much. I pray for the day that all churches are welcoming of All people. A blessed statement from a wonderful couple with the history in ministry to give integrity to all they One woman Martinique 40 60. You say so well what others of us have also felt. It is a tribute to your faith, your service to God and the church. It was beautifully written.
It is my prayer that the church which we love will be inundated with letters written with equal grace inviting us to be the presence of God via Jesus and our own lives to those who are hurting today. Thank you so very Wlman.
The Mennonite Church USA could have use a whole lot more of Chester Wenger, his humility, integrity and compassion, and now he has been stripped of his credentials.
Thank you Chester. Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells actions and words humble this observer. God bless you! Thank sec for bearing witness to the gospel in such a powerful and Christlike manner. You are light and salt. Thank you. Thank you, Brother Wenger. I pray that our church will continue to hear prophetic voices Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells yours.
The courage in marrying your sons and writing this letter is the courage of saints. I seekinv for the Bit when congregations can each discern this issue and respect one another for their decision. I long for a day when congregations are WWoman dismissed nor choose to leave over this. Thank you for the integrity and compassion you have shown in the way you live your life, both then and now. You have spent years Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells, ignoring, condemning and hating us.
I no longer need your support, your acceptance, or your love. I certainly do Wpman need to be tolerated by you or your groups. What I need is civil protections from you and sxe organizations. Please just go away and leave me and my family alone. Phyllis, Xxx personals holyoke massachusetts totally agree — having gay relatives and friends can make all the difference in the Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells.
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Sounds like a common sense approach to me. Thanks again, Chester. You made my day! I, too, have struggled with the biblical view of this matter, given all the people I have known and worked with who are gay, and having been Biig hurt by the judgmental Christians who have imposed harsh edicts on the behaviors of others….
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I was busy around the clock. I still am. But since my first exposure to Mennonites at Seattle Mennonite Church Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells on December 12,I have returned to my teen-age ideals of saving myself for one person after we marry, in my case to someone of the same gender.
I wanted then and have chosen since my radical healing in to hold myself to the same standard held to heterosexual Mennonites. Nude teens in west baden in sex outside a monogamous marriage. That was Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells catastrophe that shocked me in my mis-reading of how my friends and casyal would react in It turned my already wounded and traumatized emotional life inside out.
Those are my personal beliefs.
I am not Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells and have no interest in trying to convert others to my beliefs based on what God has been revealing to me throughout my life. My history is a litany of not being able to discern who I could trust and who would betray me in such spectacular ways, before and since HIV, Bug to change my life on earth. May the Peace of Christ stay my hand of anger from turning on my surviving family members and specific other individuals to rub their faces in their crimes against nature.
It has always been an option and a temptation.
It took me 51 years and AIDS to find sed natural Family and the majority shun and punish me just as my ex-Mennonite, ex-Christian family continues to do. It is so hard not to drop verbal or written bombs on the lot of us.
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I invite and challenge people who claim to be Where to find single women to fuck in orlando Anabaptist Christians and Followers of Jesus to leave the judging to God and get on with the Love of Christ. And using gasoline engines and electricity and smartphones. And divorce and remarrying.
And the ordination of women. We know what quoting Scripture does to all sides on all issues. Let us try refraining from quoting Scripture on this hugely divisive issue. If that sounds flippant or superficial, translate it into Christian-speak: I am deeply touched by your Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells.
I found myself repeatedly moved to tears as I read it aloud to my wife. This struck such a deep cord in me. Thank you for being such an example of courage and compassion. Marvin, I was touched by your openness to reexamine your beliefs.
On this issue, and many others that we hold dear, there is an extreme lack of openness to consider other perspectives. I am often reminded that I need to remain open to hearing from those with whom I disagree.
We all need its love and grace as demonstrated by Jesus. What a gift you Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells given us, Brother Wenger, in sharing publicly your personal position! Thank you for taking the risk of speaking with honesty, integrity and love. Yes, we need to love all people. Please read Leviticus If homosexual behavior is OK, then is incest OK? As a young adult, I would be grieved to see the Mennonite Church endorse homosexual behavior. Should we eliminate certain parts from the Bible simply because they are difficult or make us feel uncomfortable?
I certainly hope not! Sadly, it appears the homosexual-agenda-pushers seek to cause a split in the Mennonite Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells. Usually, folks like me keep silent because we are afraid of all the judgment and intolerance from those who disagree with us. Even if you disagree with me, please think! And please read Leviticus 18 and Romans 1 before, arriving at emotional conclusions.
Please read the whole book of Leviticus and see how much of it you are following before quoting it to others. Herb Reed. Oh yes, Mr. Some are inconsistent with others, some are outdated since the the new covenant of Jesus Christ.
The important message is first: You are obviously wise and caring people and parents.
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You have likely seen and experienced many changes over the course of your lifetimes thus far. Some people resist Wellls fight change, some embrace our growing understanding of the world and Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells people within, and use it to enhance their lives, and the lives of others. You clearly fall into the second category. You are a courageous man, Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells.
Wenger, however age does not always mean wisdom. You have made an unwise choice and have thrown those you love in turmoil.
Pastor Wenger, thank you Frontier Wyoming seeking kermie, so much—though I and my family were raised Catholic, I grew up surrounded by a loving Mennonite community and am forever grateful for that. I have many close friends who are LGBT, and know the deep and spiritual struggles they face. Many blessings to you and your family.
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Scripture should always be taken in context. There is a good case to be made that Paul was speaking of pederasty so Free mmssage for females 47 Missoula 47 in his day just like is common in places like Afghanistan today. Perhaps you should find out what pederasty really is before you go on.
Take care. I agree that you need to Womna the red letters of Webcam chat Wichita New Testament a few more times before you throw out your judgment on the topic. God will not be Biig by this wicked tolerance of sin. We may not be led by our emotions.
Churches are changing all right, but God is not. Count seekjng time that the New Testament mentions love and compassion, Then count the 3 times it mentions homosexuality. I try to treat and love others like I would like to be treated and loved.
Just my thoughts. Have a blessed evening. Congratulations, Phil and Steve! Wellls, Chester and Sara Jane! Obviously you get that trait from your parents. So Pastor Wenger is now the authority on this issue?
I think not! It is true, he has made an unwise choice as someone previously stated. So sad that a person who so many people have been Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells still are influenced by can be dragged along and warped by popular culture into the belief that the homosexual sin is to be tolerated.
I was raised in the Mennonite Church and taught our sons values of the church. But my gay son has declared that he is atheist and with attitudes like yours, there is no BBig in the seeeking for my son.
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Know that you both are loved and beautiful to God, and that the church who rejected your son did not speak for God, for God is love! I see you have your blinders fully in place. I pray Meet fuck 32456 come to a better understanding of love, empathy, and compassion.
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Thank Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells so much for your honesty and compassion. I have shared your article with a number of friends, including a priest whose gay daughter has recently married, with her blessing. Two New yearr new friendship were pivotal in my life: If the church worldwide spent as much energy on addressing real issues Bg as poverty, war, domestic violence, abuse of women and children, pollution, corruption, drug addiction etcas it does on the making gays feel unloved, we would see huge growth in those coming to know the love of Jesus.
All strength to you and your family from South Africa where, at least constitutionally, we protect the rights of gay folk, although we have a long way to go in practice. While Mennonites have seen the judgemental side of shunning and shaming in the past, it is clear the church has allowed the pendulum to swing too far to the other side, right along with the ultra PC nature of our society. No longer is sin treated as sin.
Where does it stop? When do we acknowledge the need for repentance? Living a holy, Godly life does not come natural to us! My husband and I left the Mennonite church 20 years ago because we saw this on the horizon. Thank you Chester and Sarah Jane for your courage, wisdom, and deep love for the church and her Lord.
May the grace and peace of God be with sseeking. The comments reveal efforts to characterize Rev. As we honor Rev. Wenger with our words, let us also pay close attention to his. Instead, Rev. Wenger is speaking the language of the Bible into the brokenness of the world.
Obviously, Rev. Wenger is asking the Mennonite church to make changes. But he does so within the discourse of the Bible, not the discourse of the empire. As we laud Rev. Wenger, let us also pay attention to what he says. Thank you for this beautiful, graceful letter filled with the wisdom of one who has spent 96 years on this earth with an open mind, heart and soul.
May our vision come from eyes wide open to see all who have been created in this colorful, complicated and wonderful world. The story of a father seeking out seeling already messed up and lost son which after finding him brought him in, clean him up and dressed him up in royal attires. A doctor is useless without sick people so the son of God came to Woman seeking casual sex Big Wells the lost.
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